Tuesday, January 20, 2009

Glory be!

10 comments:

Grandmère Mimi said...

Jane, I had to come say "Hi" to the indoctrinator. Have you seen Howard J. Green, Jr.'s response to your comment about your class at the Episcopal Café?

Jane R said...

No, but I'm headed over there to read and reply!

pj said...

I have some Jane stuff to catch up on, obviously.

But in the meantime, happy happy joy joy!

Wormwood's Doxy said...

Oh for heaven's sake! Don't they teach history in American schools anymore?

This has been a wonderful, wonderful day--even with 4-5 inches of snow. ;-)

Padre Mickey said...

Some women in my parish wear hats like that.

janinsanfran said...

Let me join the chorus responding to the Episcopal Cafe discussion(s).

Rev. Lowery knocked my socks off. I felt delight and awe -- both emotions I think we are occasionally gifted with in prayer. I am often a more than a little uncomfortable when Episcopalians, including my rather white gay parish, appropriate the Negro National Anthem. Do we have the right to take it up without knowing the source? But of course it is Rev. Lowery's.

I was surprised by Rick Warren's prayer. A Jewish friend was a little offended by what she felt was the appropriation of the Shema. I have felt similarly offended once when a particularly tin-eared Episcopal clergyman did the same thing.

But mostly what I felt about Warren's prayer was that it lacked the power that comes from speaking for an old and sophisticated cultural foundation. I don't believe that evangelical Protestantism is all like that, but Warren felt shallow, pro forma. Clearly though, there are lots of people who can experience God through this sort of language/culture, so I'd the weirdo...

I agree very much with the person at the Cafe who pointed to the prayer by the Senate chaplain at the luncheon in the chapel. Haven't found the text, but I think he warned about the dangers of arrogance -- great in that assembly. :-)

janinsanfran said...

The gentleman who prayer I appreciated was Dr. Barry Black, a Seventh Day Adventist and former Navy chaplain.

Here's video: YouTube.

FranIAm said...

That is one big ol' church hat!

As to the discussion here - Dr. Lowery's prayer was amazing to me. I watched it in the rectory where I work, standing next to the priest I work for.

At the end, I too shouted an "AMEN" to the television; Father simply smiled a very big smile.

Jane R said...

Thanks, Jan, I would have missed Dr. Barry Black's prayer had you not given us the link. I liked it too -- is it my imagination or was Senator Feinstein (whom I almost called DiFi but I don't want to be disrespectful since I am no longer her constituent and can't be too familiar ;-)) squirming a tiny bit right after the language about moral arrogance?

Jane R said...

P.S. Jan, a very good observation on the lack of a strong and ancient cultural foundation in Pastor Warren's prayer. This makes sense to me - though like you I was surprised. It's clear he was making an effort to the best of his abilities and knowledge. It showed. That said, it had nowhere near the knock-your-socks-off power and integrity of Dr. Lowery's prayer. And Lowery is a true elder, morally weighty, tempered in the struggle. We saw two different strands of U.S. Christianity, or should I say U.S. Protestantism, on that dais.

I've just looked at the program for the service at the National Cathedral this a.m. Lots of women! The service was straight out of the Book of Common Prayer but the participants were religiously diverse. The program, some video, and some nice still photos (haven't watched the video) are up at the Cathedral website.